Topic: Effect Order
My questions in this series for your comments and opinions:
1.) Running Vibe, Phaser, Flanger, Chorus, what order would you prefer?
2.) Loop or Amp in?
3.) Before OD or after?
4.) Where do you like Wahs? Before OD/After? Before Vibe/After?
I go around and around with this especially every time I change pedals.
Over the years I have come to prefer a lot of modulation and DDL in my loop as the most clarity, headroom and tonality. As for concrete choices no one could convince me not to run the delay and reverb in the loop line. I also prefer the chorus in the loop, the Corona into the Flashback is just a tone I would not part with. Hint also guys, that new tone print from the Nashville Dan Huff maybe, sorry not a country guy I do not know who he is, but seriously the best sounding chorus ever.
I run my phaser, chorus, delay and reverb in my loop, however I come and go on the phaser and vibe which sometimes finds itself at the end or otherwise in my amp in chain.
I currently use the TC Toneprint, Chorus and Delay and find them to be peerless quality and tonal units sounding the best in the loop. I do not have the Reverb because I had just gotten a Hardwire RV-7 Lexicon loaded reverb and could not see changing it out. I dig the toneprints and find them to be tremendous quality and versatile for the money. I have never gotten any effects I paid this little for and have been so impressed by their features and tone. I find the Flanger an extraordinary unit but I am running so much modulation I am getting lost controlling it. I dig it all but my brain can only keep track of so much, if I was not using 2 phasers I would have the Vortex Flanger as well.
Some like phasers before OD and my fav effect of all time is the Vibe and it seems to sound better on the amp in chain. What I have found over the years, is, position is highly dependent upon not only the particular make of the pedal but as to what it is used with. This is why sometimes we run into issues of guys saying put this here or there and it does not work for you or sound right. The chemistry between the guitar, amp and pedalboard is rather infinite, adding to that the infinite players touch and feel.
Vibe position: this one muddles me so much. I find it is very dependent upon the make of the Vibe as to where it sounds the best. I recently had a Lovepedal Pickle Vibe and the T-Rex Viper which are of the new tech "tweaked phaser" type vibe units which sound good but not quite the same. I find they sounded best for me at chain end after ODs. I just got, finally, a real photo cell circuit Vibe, the DejaVibe and being able to A/B the two types and positions I can now tell you the difference and the subtleties of the units. Mike Fuller as evidenced by the amazing tones of Robin Trower the Vibe God has his Vibe first in chain before Wah and before OD. Now I know why, the real Vibe is lighter in effect, more organic and has more feel to it and it works better into a cleaner OD which helps boost and grit up its signal. When I think Vibe I try to get that Hendrix New Rising Sun Vibe tone when clean and the Bridge of Sighs mode when dirty. I did not like the new tech Vibes in front of OD just was too harsh and reduced the tone of the Vibe and pulse flow. I light OD enhances the real Vibe but a higher gain washes out the effect. So at higher gain I would say after and lighter gain or OD before. Creates problems as to where to put it because I like my rig to be very optioned in capability. As for Vibe, do yourself a favor and go for the real photo cell circuit. Probably nobody goes to such extremes to redo and improve with better quality and stable components than Fulltone. Some cost more but for the money it is the best bet. The Voodoo Lab Micro Vibe is a photo cell circuit and is low priced about $130 and JHS can modify it for $50 making a killer Vibe. I got my mini DejaVibe for $230 and I am really happy with it plus over the Micro pedal it has the vibrato mode and a vintage/modern toggle. BTW, some hate the vibrato good to remember faster speed or faster vibrato less depth.
Phaser: Same deal here. Some like to try to get the EVH thing with the phase into gain and that does sound amazing, BUT, here again it depends on the type of phaser. I find my Small Stone sounds like crap before gains and far more like the classic cool tones Page used to get after gain in the loop. It tends to be more intense after gains on amp in and a little more subdued in the loop. Depends on the unit. An MXR kills into gain or a gained up amp like EVH used it. A light OD after seems to work with about anything because it is not fuzzing up the signal too much. The reason Trower's Vibe first chain works is because he is not using anything but OD and if he does use a higher gain it is usually with the Vibe off. I run a buffer pedal boost first in chain followed by my envelope filter which just has to be up front. Anyway, I talk too much as ususal, I used to be a writer so I tend to over verbalize subjects but sometimes I wish when looking for information someone would say something once in a while.
LOOP CHAIN: Hardwire Phaser, Corona Chorus, Flashback Delay, Hardwire Reverb, BBE Sonic Maximizer