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Topic: Flashback delay query = problem with uploading Toneprints

I posted earlier today the fact that I had bought a Delay Flash back pedal.
I bought it whilst working here in Liverpool and I'm now back at the hotel.
I've downloaded the Steve Morse Toneprint, connected my delay to my laptop and tried uploading the 'print.
The interface says to connect the pedal - well it is connected?

Yesterday when I bought it I asked to try it out. The pedal had a fresh battery still in it's wrapper and it was unwrapped and connected. Disappointingly, the battery gave up after literally 2 - 3 minutes ???

So my question is - if the battery is dead, and the pedal is connected via USB, does it mean that I cannot upload a patch because the battery is flat. A quick response would be appreciated as if it is deefective I can take it back to the shop before I go home.
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Spud

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Re: Flashback delay query = problem with uploading Toneprints

Not too many have the new pedals yet, myself included, but frankly, I'd be surprised if it did work with a dead battery.

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Re: Flashback delay query = problem with uploading Toneprints

Mel wrote:

Not too many have the new pedals yet, myself included, but frankly, I'd be surprised if it did work with a dead battery.

If I can get a fresh battery I'll try it out.

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Re: Flashback delay query = problem with uploading Toneprints

Spudmurphy wrote:
Mel wrote:

Not too many have the new pedals yet, myself included, but frankly, I'd be surprised if it did work with a dead battery.

If I can get a fresh battery I'll try it out.

As a general rule, doing USB updates and such off a battery is ill-advised for ANY device of any kind, be it a camera, FX pedal, or whatever. Do yourself a favor and use a 9v adapter for your pedal when connecting it to the computer. You'll be happier.

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Re: Flashback delay query = problem with uploading Toneprints

i got one today and the battery stopped working after a few minutes. however, the battery is not dead, it still powers other pedals. the flashback is working well with a one spot adapter but i'm definitely going to want to use it with batteries as well. i'm a little worried about this situation.

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Re: Flashback delay query = problem with uploading Toneprints

and after reading tgp i see that it is a common problem. apparently the first pedals were shipped with bad batteries, although battery life will never be that long with a ddl pedal anyway. still, it was shocking to see it die after only a few minutes.

so the "bad" battery is now powering a fuzz and the flashback is running smoothly on a one spot. it does sound terrific.

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Re: Flashback delay query = problem with uploading Toneprints

Yeah I was disappointed with the battery life - and when you are stuck in a hotel with no shops for miles it was a "pita".
Since tried it out with a power supply and everything is fine.

Shame I had no response directly from support who I emailed in addition to this post.

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Re: Flashback delay query = problem with uploading Toneprints

In another thread someone mentioned that the current draw is 9ma. If that's the case, battery life shouldn't be too bad.

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Re: Flashback delay query = problem with uploading Toneprints

both batteries i used died in minutes. i wouldn't even make it through a song if i tried to use it live with batteries.

which is a shame, because that was one thing i really wanted to be able to do.

but it does sound great with a power supply, and i have plenty of other uses for it. it's just too bad i can't have it on a simple "grab and go" battery board liked i'd hoped.

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pungeon wrote:

both batteries i used died in minutes. i wouldn't even make it through a song if i tried to use it live with batteries which is a shame, because that was one thing i really wanted to be able to do.

That really doesn't sound right. What type of battery?

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Re: Flashback delay query = problem with uploading Toneprints

Well I hope that you sort out the battery problem - I've installed it on my board. Using it as a stomp pedal and using it live caused me some problems.
The switch is very low (much lower than the stomp switches on the pedals next to it). I was hitting the switch with my size 9 feet and was hitting the selection knobs - not good, infact quite embarrassing. Today I made an aluminium shield which screws to the base of my board and fits between the switch and the control knobs - basically a barrier. I'll take a few pics and post them tomorrow. Ergonomics of this pedal are not good !! but the sound is fantastic !!

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Here's the pic of my pedal board with the "barrier" in place to stop me inadvertently
hitting the knobs on the TC pedal. Gonna use it again live tonight and see if it cures my problem.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d41/bluesplottboy/82e4dd38.jpg

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Re: Flashback delay query = problem with uploading Toneprints

I found I had to have a guitar cord plugged into the input and turn the unit on to get it the computer to recognize the pedal, then it uploaded the toneprints no problem.  Also, try a new Duracell or Energizer 9v, the battery that comesw ith the pedal isn't going to last very long.  also, current draw is 100mA, not 9mA.

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Mel wrote:

In another thread someone mentioned that the current draw is 9ma.

I guess it was an error or just a mistyping. It was stated before by TC staff that pedal requires 90 mA.

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SG has the answer. I could not get a "connected" response until I plugged in a cable to the input and lit up the LED. Right away the PC saw it and loaded the drivers. Tone print is fast 2-3secs. I also loaded a firmware update for my chorus and the instructions on that are perfect. I used a battery when I loaded toneprint but the firmware requires a std power supply.

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Re: Flashback delay query = problem with uploading Toneprints

I have the Corona and fLASHBACK.  Was about to return the Corona-thoguht it was broken.  New battery-only in for about 2 hrs-but unit died.

Put Flashback on my board.  same thing.  Plugged in for about 3 hours, but only used it (on) for about 20-25 min.  Battery died.  Put in another new one-smae thing.

I've never seen anything like it.  I don't know what typical batt life is for a pedal, but I certainly wouldn't trust this init to get through 1 gig with a battery.

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danshi3 wrote:

I have the Corona and fLASHBACK.  Was about to return the Corona-thoguht it was broken.  New battery-only in for about 2 hrs-but unit died.

Put Flashback on my board.  same thing.  Plugged in for about 3 hours, but only used it (on) for about 20-25 min.  Battery died.  Put in another new one-smae thing.

I've never seen anything like it.  I don't know what typical batt life is for a pedal, but I certainly wouldn't trust this init to get through 1 gig with a battery.

For the toneprint pedals - "audio cables plugged in" = "power is on", whether you have the unit bypassed or not.

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Re: Flashback delay query = problem with uploading Toneprints

I guess it was an error or just a mistyping. It was stated before by TC staff that pedal requires 90 mA.

It says 100mA on the back of the pedal.

A related query: since a lot of my pedals have diff mA requirement is it not advisable to get the planet waves power adapter with eight outs?

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Have you guys tried uploading via iPhone through the app? I was wondering how it works as the instructions for the iPhone app never work: the tone prints never get loaded. Maybe there is something I'm missing.

1) guitar and iPhone volume all the way up
2) I place the iPhone on the selected pickup
3) beaming doesn't end in the green blinking light that the app says my unit is supposed to be signaling success.

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Re: Flashback delay query = problem with uploading Toneprints

chai t wrote:

I guess it was an error or just a mistyping. It was stated before by TC staff that pedal requires 90 mA.

It says 100mA on the back of the pedal.

A related query: since a lot of my pedals have diff mA requirement is it not advisable to get the planet waves power adapter with eight outs?

That won't be an issue - it is not like voltage. Just add up the required current (mA) for all your pedals and as long as the sum is less than what your power supply provides, you should be good to go.

In a weird way, you can think of it this way:

VOLTAGE - the power supply PUSHES this to the pedals. So if the voltage of the supply does not match the voltage needed by the pedal, you might experience issues. If the supply pushed 12V, for example, and the pedal only needs 9V, then the pedal will STILL GETS 12V - which is not optimal. It is usually best to match voltages between supply and pedal. Think of voltage as "pressure" in the same way you think of water pressure.

CURRENT - the power supply CAN provide a certain amount of current. CURRENT represents (with a very large multiplier) the actual number of electrons being supplied over a period of time. In the simile aluded to above, it would play the part of "flow rate" - so "litres per minute" might work as a metaphor. But the current is DRAWN ("sucked") by the device - not PUSHED by the power supply. So if the supply can provide 100mA, and the device only needs 50mA, it will only GET 50mA.

The simile:

litres per Minute IS-TO electrical current
AS
pascal IS-To electrical voltage

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