Re: Future development of the PowerCore platform has been ceased, 2
Privileges?As i understand you must buy a new UAD,then you get this "privileges"?
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Privileges?As i understand you must buy a new UAD,then you get this "privileges"?
I wonder if moving to another hardware platform is easier than moving to native. Nevertheless I can't see the reason for TC to abandon their plugs and these plugs sooner or later may appear somewhere having different names and user interfaces...
I would guess it is easer to do this in respect to making profit as the powercore hardware is always very quickly out of date and needs new drivers and so on. If you only have to support your software it should be less work and make more money as long as people are buying it.
Going Native is bad news I guess as sooner or later everyone will be able to get a version of it for free.
I have no doubt that you mean well Thomas,and also in these troubled financial times you need to cut your cloth.However as you can see TC has lost all credibility on this forum with so many problems with basic drivers over the years what do you expect people to think?
Everything will be ok because you say so.Dream on.
Paddo
My opinion about all of this is the following:
TC was tired of working on versions 3 and 4. New Windows 32 and 64 bit versions have caused them big problems, also big problems on the Powercore platform for OSX version, new DAWs, and of course the arrival of new operating systems like OSX Lion and The New Windows 8 is too much for them! They are afraid to work around it! They have no strenght anymore!
They are tired of everything and for them it seems easier to finish all this!
With this move they have solved the problems!
Sad ! And they promised us a lot of new things for powercore!
I'm not angry, anymore! I'm just tired and sad because I expected MD4, VSS4 ... but life goes on. We can live without TC, but I think also that TC can not survive without us, users!
As for native plugins ... Do not count on it! They are too afraid! Groups like a TEAM AIR and similar hackers groups, these people have hacked every ****** audio software on the planet!
As I said, TC has no strength to continue. He lost his courage, inspiration, goodwill!
Anyway, Thank You TC Electronic for all good! And good was the TC Electronic Powercore Platform!![]()
Last edited by Lara ML (2011-01-21 13:10:21)
Here's a thought that has occurred to me before and is coming back: TC finally recognized they are in over their collective heads trying to make their hardware work with the new or relatively new OS's and are giving up the ship. Win7 I can kind of see as it doesn't have the age of something like OSX Snow Leopard but to not have a stable working SL software? I know it's been said here that the new version is coming next week but we've all heard that tune before.
Why don't they just turn over their programming to the Russians like Avid reportedly has for ProTools? Then TC could get back to doing what they do best - guitar pedals. The hardware is mature enough so that shouldn't be a burden. I know TC whines that the reason they don't turn the software over to someone else is because it holds their copy protection - but what's that really mean to them since they're giving up on the platform? It's not like someone else could do a worse job than TC - it's industry standard dsp chips and the software development tools have been out there for ages available to anyone interested and has the programming chops.
From a glance it seems TC will continue driver and compatibility development would I be right, but that there will be no new plug-in's
In other words PowerCore is now a legacy platform and any future plugins will be made for the Analog Devices chip, however development will continue only in the sense of bug fixing and optimization.
Sound reasonable and I believe there is one other competitor that is now doing the same.
In the end we can run our Powercores via midi/vst system link and get ready for the new analog devices mega platform comprising creamware/uad alliance with 3rd parties ssl/tc etc
Cheers
Privileges?As i understand you must buy a new UAD,then you get this "privileges"?
+1
The offer is to spend 500-2000Euro and received 300-1500euro worth of plugin vouchers?
OK. thanks. I guess that's a benefit to someone who was considering dumping poco and buying and learning new gear.
But it's no compensation for someone who just wants the poco gear and software they have already bought and learned to work correctly as advertised.
The real resolution for this is an acceptable driver release. 4.3 or beyond.
Hi Rune/Tomas
As posted here:
http://forum.tcelectronic.com/viewtopic.php?id=8706
Is performance not also related to plugin's and is there not a responsibility on TC part to support what they sell?
From a glance it seems TC will continue driver and compatibility development would I be right, but that there will be no new plug-in's
In other words PowerCore is now a legacy platform and any future plugins will be made for the Analog Devices chip, however development will continue only in the sense of bug fixing and optimization.
Sound reasonable and I believe there is one other competitor that is now doing the same.
In the end we can run our Powercores via midi/vst system link and get ready for the new analog devices mega platform comprising creamware/uad alliance with 3rd parties ssl/tc etc
Cheers
Got to wonder why the forum software blocked the word 'phixing' (substituting ph for the letter f)? It's like we can't say 'djunk' (remove the d). What's TC afraid of? They're not swear words that I know of.
Back on topic - there will be no future plugins from TC and no more compatibility development. They've said as much in this thread and the other mega thread here. I thought Creamware was dead?
Hi Jack
Creamware are far from dead, but the difference there is they are using Analog Devices, whereas TC/SSL use motorola and as history shows motorola only lasted so long with mainstream computing, eg amiga/early macs.
I know it costs money to continue developing audio solutions but surely there must be some scope to upgrade certain plugins.
Obviously most work without problem but there are a few such as Character/V-station that were badly neglected, not so much by TC but by 3rd parties so it would be nice if they could treat users to final updates there because once they work on a given system (broad example XP32) then it will work forever so long as MS (for example) don't alter the code too much in their ongoing post lifecycle support.
Dear Thomas,
Would be great to get info about :
System6000 plugs also abandoned in the future ?
in 4.3 driver the character and sleep mode problem will be fixed ?
(you can find it on the forum and also in the support area)
Victor
Please fix character and upgrade V-station to work with VST Bridge in Cubase.
Got to wonder why the forum software blocked the word 'phixing' (substituting ph for the letter f)? It's like we can't say 'djunk' (remove the d). What's TC afraid of? They're not swear words that I know of.
I'll try tweaking the filter a little. It shouldn't take much imagination to guess what word the starts with F and ends with G that the bot is trying to weed out.
EDIT: 'Fixing' it didn't take long ![]()
So Rune will the total powercore range be 64 bit compliant as opposed to compatible or will the discussion become bogged down in tirade?
So Rune will the total powercore range be 64 bit compliant as opposed to compatible or will the discussion become bogged down in tirade?
You already got your answer in the following thread:
http://forum.tcelectronic.com/viewtopic.php?id=8706
So if I am already a UAD1 user and I buy a UAD2, will that qualify me for the crossgrade?
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So if I am already a UAD1 user and I buy a UAD2, will that qualify me for the crossgrade?
Finally, for those of you who wish to continue using externally powered plug-ins on the long term and want to find an alternative to PowerCore, we have collaborated with Universal Audio in order to create an attractive UAD-2 crossgrade offer. The only condition is that you are new to the UAD platform.
Q: Will you release the PowerCore software as "Open Source" so that others can maintain it?
A: I'm afraid we can't make the PowerCore code open source, mainly but not only because it contains all of our copy protection code.
Also, as I said above, we will do updates ourselves.
Making drivers open source and release apis and documentation is the only way to give a chance to PoCo user to keep using (and get new plugins, developed freely by third parties) their hardware in the coming years.
You're talking about a copy protection code that keeps (dead by now) plugins developed for a (dead by now) hardware platfrom from being pirated.
But, as you probably know, there's simply not a single copy protection strong enough to last forever, expecially if there's enough interest in cracking it, for example, to run homebrew software (or, in this case, indipendent vst/vstis) on it. Apple knows it, and now even Sony does.
Last edited by dhstsw (2011-01-21 15:58:51)
I'm fairly certain that open source will never happen unfortunately. Not only is there copy protection issues, there's patents and legal stuff that probably leave them open to litigation if they open source it. ![]()
This is a non issue.
They can keep their closed-source drivers to run their commercial/encripted software *AND* release open source ones *without* all the copy-protection stuff, *not* able to run legacy plugins *but* open to new developers to code new ones for the board.
The user is up to choose.
The DSP stuff in our powercores has been totally underused.
I wonder WHY TC never released a batch of very simple&useful flugs, to run on it: things like a simple host-tempo synced delay, for example.
Nothing came, only the usual hyper-priced plugs, some good, some not so good.
And promises.
I don't know what kind of agreement is there between TC and third party delelopers such Access, Novation and the likes. I *guess* they had to pay in some way for an SDK, documentation and copy protection.
Now, TC maybe is tied to some legal stuff creating troubles for the to allow other non paying developers to release stuff for PoCo.
So, instead to **** "loyal" developers they choosed to **** loyal users.
Anyway, it will come. Eventually.
> 'Fixing' it didn't take long
That's the first time anyone has been able to say that in this forum . . . in more ways than one !
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Last edited by misnoma (2011-01-21 17:45:21)
Bottom line is....POWERCORE IS DEAD... Get rid of it while you can and move on.. if we didnt get good service until now then do you think we are going to get a good one from now on ?
only a fool would think this way. Constant upgrades of O.S and D.A.Ws is a reality and if you dont catch up with the latest technology, plug ins, O.S constantly then you are left behind, because in this world having the latest of everything in your computer is not an option...ITS A MUST if you are a professional who makes a living out of music making.
Stop dreaming guys and keep discussing what TC should do , because at then end POCO was dead long ago and we all knew it.
good bye and good luck...see yall on Ebay ![]()
in this world having the latest of everything in your computer is not an option...ITS A MUST if you are a professional who makes a living out of music making
I am a professional and this was never a condition. The only condition is to have a capable and stable system. I upgrade the OS/computer once at 2-3 years. However, if some OS is already 2 years old (SL) you expect to have working drivers for that.
"Softube offers a crossgrade for PowerCore users that own Tube-Tech CL 1B or Vintage Amp Room for PowerCore. Send us proof of purchase for Tube-Tech CL 1B or Vintage Amp Room for PowerCore and we will offer a 50% discount when purchasing the native versions from us. For those of you that already own both PowerCore and native licenses, get in touch with us and we will handle it on a case-by-case basis. This offer is valid until February 28."
..Another way to earn more money.
2011 "Crossgrade years"...
Last edited by Club (2011-01-21 21:37:50)
zebastian21 wrote:in this world having the latest of everything in your computer is not an option...ITS A MUST if you are a professional who makes a living out of music making
I am a professional and this was never a condition. The only condition is to have a capable and stable system. I upgrade the OS/computer once at 2-3 years. However, if some OS is already 2 years old (SL) you expect to have working drivers for that.
good that it works out for you, in my case we collaborate with major artists in the EDM field who compose using Logic Pro, Ableton and PT.. and for this kind of music we need to have the latest of the latest..always or we are left behind....so sticking up with older drivers, O.S or anything else just to be able to use the POCO is ridiculous for us.
I like the POCO plug ins, in fact I suggested to buy it for the Studio I work in and was about to acquire the system 6000 for my personal studio and the main studio...thats not longer in the plans of course.
TC moves on and so do I , nothing last forever and thats a fact of life