KILLDRY! KILLDRY! KILLDRY! (Page 1 of 2)

sure!

that would be great

Thank you guys.
COME ON! submit as many replies as possible, TC must see this!

Thanks again.

Count me in on this!

Of course, we all need KILLDRY!!! PLEASE!!!

I'm new to the NS but can't the tuner function be set to get you there ?
Seems like when engaged...you can set it for mute or a certain level and
I believe the EFX are bypassed in this mode ? Good luck

BTW for the above...KILLDRY = STRAIGHT GUITAR SIGNAL ONLY NO EFX

Last edited by n0fx (2010-05-14 18:28:34)

Hi everybody!
KILLDRY MEANS:  "KILL THI F....N' DRY! " so no dry signal, just effex!
So you can mix dry and wet (effected signal) from the effect loop of your amp.
Having a parallel loop means that you won't miss the dry signal for a "straight in your face" sound.
KILLDRY is an amazing feature to preserve your sound and dynamic when using a digital effect unit so i don't know why TC did not put this in the NOVA.
G MAJOR got killdry in the same price range, the REPEATER got it in a way lower price range!

Any word on this KILLDRY???

Ive got a MARSHALL JMP1 that has a parallel FX Loop and it sounds stinking!

What did the latest update do? v1.2?

My assessment - the lack of Killdry functionality makes the Nova System virtually useless in the context of a parallel effects loop (unless you set the amp loop to 100% wet, thereby effectively turning it into a serial loop).

I did hold out some hope when I heard of a hidden "Killdry" parameter available via the Nova Editor (available here : http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/nova-system/), but having tried this it doesn't appear to do anything so I suspect this feature isn't actually implemented in the Nova System.

So it appears that the only way to stop the dry signal coming out of the Nova System is to set all the effect mix controls to 100% wet, which then leaves no way of setting the relative levels of the different effects blocks (as everything is on maximum). This means you can really only use one effect at a time.

What a shame/waste - if it wasn't for this one (major) missing feature (which surely wouldn't have cost very much to implement, if anything) this product would have been so much more useful to the serious/pro players. In my opinion TC have seriously missed an opportunity here ...

Last edited by russellc100 (2012-02-04 13:53:01)

Ok, I asked on the Yahoo group recently and all I got was 1 response from someone who (also) found that it didn't work.

Could you please explain exactly how you got it to work? Would be much appreciated ...

Last edited by russellc100 (2012-02-06 13:57:26)

Hi jwoertz.

Thanks for the reply.

What the "KILLDRY" function is supposed to do is remove the dry signal from the output of the Nova system, leaving just the effects on their own. That means that you should only hear the echos from the delay, or the reverb part of the reverb, or the pitch shifted notes from the pitch shifter (etc etc) but no direct/dry guitar sound. So it should be pretty easy to tell whether it's working or not, as this isn't a subtle thing we're talking about here!

The idea is that the Nova System can then be used in a parallel effects loop rather than a serial one so that the direct/dry guitar sound remains analog all the way through (i.e. the raw tone of the guitar doesn't get digitised / passed through the A/D - D/A conversion process). So you end up with a purely analog direct/dry guitar sound, and just mix in however much of the effects you want from the digital device. This IMO greatly improves the sound quality by getting rid of the "tone suck" problem that all digital devices seem to have (no matter how expensive / high quality they are). Of course this will only work for time-based effects like delay, reverb, chorus, pitch etc and not the effects which alter the main dry sound such as overdrive, compression, EQ, tremolo etc.

My observations of switching Killdry on or off in the Nova System (or "bypass" for that matter, which is another hidden parameter) is that it made absolutely no difference - the direct/dry signal is always passed to the outputs regardless. The only way I could find of removing the dry signal was to set all mix controls to 100% wet for the active effects blocks, which then means you can't alter the relative levels between the different effects (as all the effects are at maximum level), which IMO makes the Nova System pretty much useless in the context of a parallel effects loop.

I too have read reports on some of the forums from people saying that they experimented with "Killdry" in the Nova Editor, and that it somehow subtly improved the sound, made it sound more "organic" or whatever. Unfortunately I think this is probably just a placebo effect/power of suggestion i.e. people are expecting the sound to subtly improve in some way so that's what they hear. But as I said above, "KILLDRY" isn't about some kind of subtle sound improvement, it's a night vs day fundamental difference in the way that the unit is operating.

Of course, if I'm wrong about the KILLDRY parameter i.e. if it actually works and you have actually managed to get rid of the direct/dry guitar signal using it then I would very much like to know about it. Please let me know ...

Thanks
Russ

Last edited by russellc100 (2012-02-07 16:27:15)

I don't even know where to start.

If you have a problem with a modern digital device in your amp loop, it is one of these problems:
   1) Impedance issues - If your amp's loop is unbuffered you can lose gain, high-end, and low-end punch. You can also lose volume. This has nothing to do with "digital". It has to do with a crappy loop design.
   2) Parallel loop - parallel loops were put there to compensate for low-fidelity pedals. Modern digital devices are NOT low-fidelity, so a parallel loop is not needed. In fact, it is damaging to your tone. Because the signal passing through a digital device is slightly delayed (not enought for you to notice), if the device output has a dry component, that is delayed. All of this sounds GREAT - until some moron MIXES it with a dry signal that did not pass through the device. This is what a parallel loop does. Parallel loops SUCK for digital - but it is THE LOOP that is sucking the tone by mixing the two signals, not the digital device. Set your loop to serial or 100% wet (if it will even go there, most parallel loops are so poorly designed that they CAN'T be 100% wet) and you don't need Killdry.