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Re: G-System Feature Ideas and Requests

Laird_Williams wrote:

gbtommasi sacrificed loop1, and plugs his guitar into the loop1 return rather than the guitar in. He gets a guitar-level signal through the loops and into his amp - and he completely bypasses the first digital FX stage. He says it works great.

Brilliant idea if you asked me - assuming you can afford to give up a loop.

yes, the idea of using loop1 as the input was originally suggested on this thread by sheguitarplayer if I'm not mistaken.  That suggestion is why we'd like TC to address the issue and offer the option of bypassing the initial set of AD DA conversion.

Although we know of a workaround, the price of a compressor, filter and a loop is a bit steep when all you want is the signal to remain unchanged :-)

Workarounds that have been mentioned are (sorry for repeating):

* using something like a Lehle switch box (pretty cool piece of equipment and can be controlled via midi) to switch from the loop1 return and guitar input (courtesy of sheguitarplayer)
* using loop2 instead of the Lehle (suggested by gbtommasi) - see above for details.
* using an apparatus like the tonebone dragster as a pickup impedance load (also suggested by gbtommasi) which, according to reviews, improves your tone when plugging directly into digital equipment.

pretty creative workarounds if you ask me!

In any case, it's great to hear that so many agree and feel strongly about that this is something TC needs to improve upon.

  • Registered: 2007-11-16
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Re: G-System Feature Ideas and Requests

suggestion 1 - When selecting a patch further tapping the same button sets tempo - so do don't have to balance on 1 leg to reach the top right of the unit.

suggestion 2 - The editor will gives us backup a facilty - how about the option of just plugging in a usb memory stick to do a system backup.

  • Registered: 2007-11-14
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Vapour Trail wrote:

suggestion 1 - When selecting a patch further tapping the same button sets tempo - so do don't have to balance on 1 leg to reach the top right of the unit.

+1 Nice one!!

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Would be nice to have the option to set the operation of the preset buttons to operate as follows:
First push selects that preset, second push toggles to the previously selected preset. That way you only have to hover over one button to quickly jump to the lead sound for a quick fill then stomp the same button to drop back to the clean/rhythm sound.

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  • Registered: 2007-11-18
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Re: G-System Feature Ideas and Requests

Vapour Trail wrote:

suggestion 1 - When selecting a patch further tapping the same button sets tempo - so do don't have to balance on 1 leg to reach the top right of the unit.

suggestion 2 - The editor will gives us backup a facilty - how about the option of just plugging in a usb memory stick to do a system backup.

Suggestion 1 is a neat usability enhancement. +1 on that.

Suggestion 2 would be nice - but the USB port on the G is a SLAVE port, not a HOST port - so it can't host other devices. Changing to a host port would involve a hardware change, among other things.

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  • Registered: 2007-12-01
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Not sure if this has already come up, but the ability to turn off the delay tails on a per patch basis would be nice. Sometimes it's great to have them, but when using lots of feedback for ambient sounds, it would be nice to not have the thing continue to oscillate when changing patch. A simple tails yes/no option would suffice

  • Registered: 2007-11-21
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Re: G-System Feature Ideas and Requests

gbtommasi and company-thanks for the advice on running thru loop 1 and loop 2-I have been very happy with tone, but did notice some differences...my amp is a Boogie Colisem, so at the volume levels I play it seemed to work itself out...however, just pulled out some more cables and tried this-hell yeah....more dynamics..less noise..pickups seem to have a little more sparkle...stronger  all around-GREAT JOB!!THANKS!!

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Re: G-System Feature Ideas and Requests

Bern wrote:

Would be nice to have the option to set the operation of the preset buttons to operate as follows:
First push selects that preset, second push toggles to the previously selected preset. That way you only have to hover over one button to quickly jump to the lead sound for a quick fill then stomp the same button to drop back to the clean/rhythm sound.

this can be a great feature..one of my previous setups had this and was very handy for changing between 2 sounds while singing cause you don't have to look at the bottons...as said..just hover over 1.

  • Registered: 2007-11-21
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These have already been mentioned but if mentioning them again will get them in the next Rev, here goes.

1  Mulit-tap delays  (3 to 5 taps assignable during patch setup)

2 A good rotary

This one I didn't see mentioned...

Allow panning to be controlled by the fx pedal. Not the rate but the actual pan to be manipulated by direct control from the fx pedal.

  • From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
  • Registered: 2007-11-22
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+1 on rotary, 'previous preset' button/functionality, same-button-tap-tempo.

- on that last one though, I do use the "reset preset" feature, so I'm slightly undecided still smile  I turn on/off loops/effects and mess with the delay levels and feedback via an expression pedal, so being able to reset the preset is handy.  Would be nice to have the option of both.

sheguitarplayer - did you try out the dragster?  I read some more about it and am curious to know if it makes a difference with the gsys.  I'll probably end up getting one anyway for direct-to-desk situations (virtual amp room).

  • Registered: 2007-11-14
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tomasgunn wrote:

sheguitarplayer - did you try out the dragster?  I read some more about it and am curious to know if it makes a difference with the gsys.  I'll probably end up getting one anyway for direct-to-desk situations (virtual amp room).

Ive got one on order so Im hoping to give it a try soon. I sometimes use a wireless and it looks like it will help there too!

  • Registered: 2007-11-14
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sheguitarplayer wrote:

Ive got one on order so Im hoping to give it a try soon. I sometimes use a wireless and it looks like it will help there too!

i have got on order too!

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Re: G-System Feature Ideas and Requests

6GunSound wrote:

These have already been mentioned but if mentioning them again will get them in the next Rev, here goes.

1  Mulit-tap delays  (3 to 5 taps assignable during patch setup)

2 A good rotary

This one I didn't see mentioned...

Allow panning to be controlled by the fx pedal. Not the rate but the actual pan to be manipulated by direct control from the fx pedal.

Do you mean the expression pedal 6gun?

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  • Registered: 2007-12-03
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Re: G-System Feature Ideas and Requests

I find it frustrating that the LOOPS, Boost and EQs are not assignable to the expression pedal for realtime control. For example, I use the expression pedal to bring in varying degrees of Delay and Reverb, but it'd be great to be able to toggle the OD on in my LOOP, engage the Boost and change EQ values with a simple sweep of the pedal so that i can go from Rhythm to Lead by rocking my foot forward.
It's a very expressive way of going from Rhythm to Lead as you can vary how much Rev/Delay you want, rather than toggling 2 static presets and really squeezes every drop of versatility out of each preset.

I've done this exact same thing for years with much lesser FX units and it's surprising to me that such i high end product does not have this functionality......

  • Registered: 2007-11-15
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jonah wrote:
kinggeoff wrote:

What about being able to control the LOOPS MIX in the chain?

For example, being able to set the MIX % of each LOOP, which can vary from preset to preset.

This would be very useful if you have a pedal WITHOUT a mix control knob, or if you're just using a/some loop(s) as a line in jack...

If this fix is possible, it would open up so many possibilities

-having a pre-recorded backing track that you can mix behind what you're playing
-Making those old pedals you have without a mix control as subtle as you need them to be

That would actually be kind of cool...
It would be nice to have a clean sound,and then, with an expression pedal, slowly mix in the overdrive pedal in the loop. It would be kind of like BOSS GT-8 can do.

- jonah

I was actually just thinking the same thing yesterday.

  • Registered: 2007-11-14
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Thats one of the things that surprsed me about the G system. I have a Boss GTPro. The FX arent anywhere near as good as the Gsystem, but the functionality and versatility of it put the Gsys to shame.

  • From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
  • Registered: 2007-11-22
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Re: G-System Feature Ideas and Requests

+1 on mixing loops in.  I've got a murf that I have a separate expression pedal for the 'mix' parameter of it, but would love to be able to mix it in via the gsys.  - taking care though that I don't want any extra A<->D conversions though... so not sure if this is physically possible.

Fyi - I got an opportunity to play around with a dragster yesterday in the studio.  We were recording bass however, so I've yet to try it with guitar.  Nevertheless, the bass was going direct into to desk (no amp being used).  We did a blind test on the bass player playing around with the drag feature and she consistently went back to approximately the same position on the drag wheel (tested direct vs dragster and locations on the dragster wheel).  It clearly helps with "undigitizing" the sound.  I'll get a chance to play around with it later this week with the gsys.  - I don't want to get your hopes up too much - it's not a miracle device - but every little bit helps

  • Registered: 2007-11-15
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Another idea, and this kind of goes back to some of the features that are available on lower end models.  Several of the Digitech units have two LFO's that can be assigned to nearly any effects parameter as a modulator.  So, for example you can assign an LFO to the reverb mix or to the pitch shifter level, etc.  You can assign both LFO's to the same parameter with different modulation rates so you could get some wild synchronizations going.

  • Registered: 2007-11-20
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I would like the ability to have a looping delay going on one patch and still be able to fade it in or out after switching to another patch. +1 on more options to control with the expression pedal, I had my old Boss GT6 controlling a ton of things and it made it very easy to change the sound on the fly. I would also like a simple patch volume level adjustment to help balance changes between guitars, it sucks having to change the left and right output levels.

  • Registered: 2007-11-21
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Re: G-System Feature Ideas and Requests

Laird_Williams wrote:
6GunSound wrote:

These have already been mentioned but if mentioning them again will get them in the next Rev, here goes.

1  Mulit-tap delays  (3 to 5 taps assignable during patch setup)

2 A good rotary

This one I didn't see mentioned...

Allow panning to be controlled by the fx pedal. Not the rate but the actual pan to be manipulated by direct control from the fx pedal.

Do you mean the expression pedal 6gun?

Yes.  Right now all you can do is set the rate. I play a couple of different songs which I would love to be able to control the pan directly with the expression pedal.

  • Registered: 2007-11-26
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teejay wrote:

I've done this exact same thing for years with much lesser FX units and it's surprising to me that such i high end product does not have this functionality......

I hear ya man. I really just assumed that this kind of functionality would be included right out of the box. This is one expensive unit. I love the FX but if it doesn't have the versatility to pull a good live show all in one unit, what's the point of including such amazing features as separating floor board from rack unit (and connected via standard cat5 !!!! amazing) if you're going to handicap the unit elsewhere even when compared with SIGNIFICANTLY lower priced units sad

i reeeeally don't want to have to return this thing because I love how PRISTINE the fx are. But if I can't even pull some simple (albeit sometimes convoluted) features off with this unit, it might be heading back to the store

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  • Registered: 2007-11-16
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Re: G-System Feature Ideas and Requests

dmpc wrote:
Bern wrote:

Would be nice to have the option to set the operation of the preset buttons to operate as follows:
First push selects that preset, second push toggles to the previously selected preset. That way you only have to hover over one button to quickly jump to the lead sound for a quick fill then stomp the same button to drop back to the clean/rhythm sound.

this can be a great feature..one of my previous setups had this and was very handy for changing between 2 sounds while singing cause you don't have to look at the bottons...as said..just hover over 1.

I'm sorry, but I have to bash on that one...

I often hit the drives or hit a filter and a compressor on, and I rely on the preset button to return to the preset before I hit those pedals.

If this "return to previously selected preset" were optional, then I'd be all for it!





once again... VOLUME SWELL IN THE FILTERS SECTION!!!!    plus the whole rotary and modulated delay thingy.

  • Registered: 2007-11-16
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OH, and I thought of this one today...

A "SHIMMER" reverb akin to the one on the Verbzilla.

(I don't know if this can be done just by tweaking the current reverbs... HELP?)

  • Registered: 2007-12-02
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Re: G-System Feature Ideas and Requests

sheguitarplayer wrote:
I'm a newbie so I havent fully got to grips with the gsystem yet, but Im getting a better sound so far by inputting my guitar into the return of loop 1 . That way I can still use the remaining loops, whilst bypassing the first set of A/D D/A converters. Im hoping to get the rest sorted so I can input the guitar right at the front of the Gsys, but I havent got it nailed yet.

Hello everybody there. This is not a solution.
The only real solution is that TC makes a change in the Gsystem ............to chose whether to have the first A/D D/A conversion bypassed.

Anyway you are right distortion/overdrive pedals are much better in front of Gsystem compared with the loops..............Why that? I strong beleive that it is due to the two conversions. In Italy a professional guitarist told me that who uses Gsystem (he is one of them) made a little change in the gsystem that solved the problem.........he did not explain what change.......but i believe is something related to the impedence. Anyone can comment on it?

bye for now
Maurizio

  • Registered: 2007-11-14
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Re: G-System Feature Ideas and Requests

The input of the G-system is buffered, unlike the input of any good amp.
This causes the signal to become just different, usually worse than when the guitar is plugged into an amp. You can notice this with common pedals also. When i had my old pedalboard all the pedals where true bypass except for the Keeley ds1, which i routed out of the chain when not in use: i could plug my guitar without powering the pedalboard and get the clean sound out of the amp... unchanged.

That's why, switching to the g-system, while substantially satisfied with the sound, i could actually hear the diference: the sound had become more harsh and it had lost part of the magic... you know what i mean.
Now, I am skeptical that this is due to the double conversion thing, i rather think it is due to the g-system buffered input, which does to my signal exactly the same thing any other buffer (expensive as it could be) would do.
To verify this theory, i just ordered a tonebone dragster, which is designed to interface correctly with passive pickups. It is a cheap attempt, since the dragster is a quite unexpensive, passive piece of gear.
If this will work, then i have demonstrated that the two conversions are just ok and the problem is to be seeked in the input stage. Otherwise i have demonstrated that converting the signal two times (4, indeed--> A/D-D/A-A/D-D/A) is just too much to be handled correctly even for quality converters...

I will let you guys know about this. Maurizio: who is the italian guitarist you are mentioning about? maybe we could ask him some hint...

Last edited by gbtommasi (2007-12-06 18:32:22)

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